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CBA Netbanking no longer supports Safari
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skip
2005-04-02 01:17:39 UTC
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Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?

Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.

They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.

The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.

What can you do?

So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.

You can email the troglodytes direct at on ***@cba.com.au
with your views.
Jason
2005-04-02 02:24:53 UTC
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Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
Change banks.
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from being one of the bad guys in a James Bond movie."
-- Dennis Miller
skip
2005-04-02 04:00:21 UTC
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CBA have commissioned ACNielsen to survey the participants in the pilot
of the new internet banking site NETBANK.

One question asks participants about browser access. If their happy
with it.

They can be emailed at survey at acnconsult dot com

***@acnconsult.com

Email them and voice your concern that access is limited to a couple of
MS style browsers.
Steve
2005-04-02 03:07:36 UTC
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Have you tried using OmniWeb, and setting the Omniweb preferences for
the CBA site to report that you are using a version of IE?
This is a feature of Omniweb that doesn't appear to be in other
browsers.

I agree that it is a shame that they are explicitly not allowing Mac
users to bank with them... I would also write a letter to the bank (
not sure how you would find the appropriate section to write to... )
and express your interest in them supporting the Mac and Safari.
David Morrison
2005-04-02 04:07:35 UTC
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Post by Steve
Have you tried using OmniWeb, and setting the Omniweb preferences for
the CBA site to report that you are using a version of IE?
This is a feature of Omniweb that doesn't appear to be in other
browsers.
I agree that it is a shame that they are explicitly not allowing Mac
users to bank with them... I would also write a letter to the bank (
not sure how you would find the appropriate section to write to... )
and express your interest in them supporting the Mac and Safari.
You can do this on Safari too. Have a look at the utility called Tinkertool to
enable Safari's Debug menu.

David
Ribfeast
2005-04-04 06:54:40 UTC
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We shouldn't have to though, if the halfwits they have programming their
online banking actually coded their website to web standards (Safari,
Firefox), rather than Microsoft standards then we wouldn't be having these
issues. At least it still works fine for me in IE 5.x in MacOS X 10.3.8.


On 2/4/05 2:07 PM, in article
Post by David Morrison
Post by Steve
Have you tried using OmniWeb, and setting the Omniweb preferences for
the CBA site to report that you are using a version of IE?
This is a feature of Omniweb that doesn't appear to be in other
browsers.
I agree that it is a shame that they are explicitly not allowing Mac
users to bank with them... I would also write a letter to the bank (
not sure how you would find the appropriate section to write to... )
and express your interest in them supporting the Mac and Safari.
You can do this on Safari too. Have a look at the utility called Tinkertool to
enable Safari's Debug menu.
David
quietguy
2005-04-02 06:10:21 UTC
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Steve, that was a crap troll post - CBC has worked well with the Mac for
years and still does

David
Post by Steve
I agree that it is a shame that they are explicitly not allowing Mac
users to bank with them... I would also write a letter to the bank (
not sure how you would find the appropriate section to write to... )
and express your interest in them supporting the Mac and Safari.
Dale Stanbrough
2005-04-02 09:04:35 UTC
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Post by quietguy
Steve, that was a crap troll post - CBC has worked well with the Mac for
years and still does
I think the conversation was on the new software that they are
testing.

You can see the log in page at

www3.netbank.commbank.com.au

I couldn't get in with my account details, so I presume only
those who are invited in the trial can do so.

It certainly -looks- more PC-ish.

Dale
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David Morrison
2005-04-03 10:20:33 UTC
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Post by Dale Stanbrough
Post by quietguy
Steve, that was a crap troll post - CBC has worked well with the Mac for
years and still does
I think the conversation was on the new software that they are
testing.
You can see the log in page at
www3.netbank.commbank.com.au
This leads to a FAQ at:

http://www.commbank.com.au/Netbank2/faq/login.asp#FAQwhatarethesystemrequirements
tousenb

which states that Macs *are* supported, *if* they use Netscape 7 on Mac OS 9.

IE isn't even a supported browser for Macs.

Sounds rather like the software they are buying was written at least 5 years ago
and doesn't know about modern operating systems (OS X) and browsers (Firefox on
any platform).

David
quietguy
2005-04-03 14:14:17 UTC
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As I said in a previous post CBA works fine for me with Mozilla, Netscape 4.79, and
IE 5.1, and has done so for ages

David
Post by David Morrison
which states that Macs *are* supported, *if* they use Netscape 7 on Mac OS 9.
IE isn't even a supported browser for Macs.
Sounds rather like the software they are buying was written at least 5 years ago
and doesn't know about modern operating systems (OS X) and browsers (Firefox on
any platform).
David
Dale Stanbrough
2005-04-03 21:05:24 UTC
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Post by quietguy
As I said in a previous post CBA works fine for me with Mozilla, Netscape 4.79, and
IE 5.1, and has done so for ages
Netbank does, but other pages don't. Try looking at (from their main
page) either the personal page or the contact page.

Given they don't test against even their recommended browser (Netscape)
what guarantees can you have that Netbanking will continue to work other
than by accident?

Dale
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quietguy
2005-04-04 00:03:54 UTC
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Personal Centre and Contact Us work fine for me with Mozilla and IE, but
although works OK get a few glitches with Netscape 4.79

David
Post by Dale Stanbrough
Post by quietguy
As I said in a previous post CBA works fine for me with Mozilla, Netscape 4.79, and
IE 5.1, and has done so for ages
Netbank does, but other pages don't. Try looking at (from their main
page) either the personal page or the contact page.
Given they don't test against even their recommended browser (Netscape)
what guarantees can you have that Netbanking will continue to work other
than by accident?
Dale
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David Morrison
2005-04-04 08:58:24 UTC
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Post by David Morrison
Post by Dale Stanbrough
Post by quietguy
Steve, that was a crap troll post - CBC has worked well with the Mac for
years and still does
I think the conversation was on the new software that they are
testing.
You can see the log in page at
www3.netbank.commbank.com.au
http://www.commbank.com.au/Netbank2/faq/login.asp#FAQwhatarethesystemrequireme
nts
tousenb
which states that Macs *are* supported, *if* they use Netscape 7 on Mac OS 9.
IE isn't even a supported browser for Macs.
We contacted Apple regarding the matter of Safari after testing showed that
some versions do not work well with NetBank. As explained in the Web site
reference below, Apple's Safari Internet browser has difficulties creating a
http://www.kb.techknow-how.com/exports/partner_data/30/html/30-234882512.html
We have independently tested the following Web browsers on the MAC OSX
Mozilla Camino 0.8.3
Mozilla for Mac 1.7.6
Firefox for Mac 1.0.2
Netscape 7.2
iCab 2.9.8
Safari 1.2
Microsoft IE 5.2.3
Opera 7.54
We believe MAC customers would be best to use is to use either Mozilla
Camino 0.8.3, Firefox for Mac 1.0.2 or Netscape v7.2.
Here is a list of the possible options available now to help you overcome
Mozilla and Firefox browsers can be found at
(<http://www.mozilla.org/download.html>). Firefox users can go directly to
the new NetBank service using the address
https://www3.netbank.commbank.com.au or
Netscape 7.2 (
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,7220,00.asp )
So they do seem to be serious about catering for Mac users, even though the
documentation implies they are not.

Cheers

David
Kwan Yeoh
2005-04-05 12:48:00 UTC
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Post by David Morrison
We contacted Apple regarding the matter of Safari after testing showed that
some versions do not work well with NetBank. As explained in the Web site
reference below, Apple's Safari Internet browser has difficulties creating a
[...]
I sent an email along the lines that I am concerned regarding the
proposed lack of Safari support & I got the same form email reply.
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Please remove SpamMeNot to reply. I apologise for the necessary use
of this anti-spammation method.
David Morrison
2005-04-02 04:03:03 UTC
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Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
Where did you find out about this? I cannot see anything about it on their site.

David
skip
2005-04-02 04:06:57 UTC
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I'm on the pilot programme, its not on www2. but www3

This is what they sent to me.

=============
Welcome to our NetBank Pilot!

We sent you an email in December 2004, letting you know we were testing
our new NetBank service.

We are now emailing you to let you know that the NetBank Pilot
commenced last night. We have automatically transferred you to the new
service so you can participate in the Pilot. Please continue to use
your existing NetBank Client Number and password. Once you have logged
in you will see the new and improved NetBank service.

We hope you'll be pleased with the improvements and trust you enjoy
using some of our new features, such as home and investment home loan
transaction histories, International Money Transfers, multiple bill
payments, online password resets, account nicknaming and stopping
cheques.

There are some security enhancements in the new service which will make
NetBank even more secure. These include email alerts to confirm
transaction activity on NetBank and security Q&As so we can quickly
identify you when you perform some online transactions. And, of
course, the Bank continues to 100% guarantee the safety of your money
using NetBank, provided you've observed the terms and conditions for
using NetBank.
Dale Stanbrough
2005-04-02 04:38:30 UTC
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Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
If you use Safari to look at either their personal page...

http://www.commbank.com.au/personal/

or their contact page...

http://www.commbank.com.au/contactus/default.asp

they render very badly. They render (sort of) ok in IE.
I rang and their response was "we only support IE and Netscape".
I downloaded Netscape only to find it has exactly the same problems.

Still waiting for a response on that one...

Dale
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quietguy
2005-04-02 06:08:37 UTC
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Works fine with Mozilla 1.3.1 and Netscape 4.79

David
Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
ocean11
2005-04-03 15:03:41 UTC
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Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
The irony is, pc's and windows in particular shouldnt be used for net
banking, because security can't be garanteed, computers were never meant
to be an ATM. With the risk of viruses and trojan horses on windows, I
wouldnt do net banking on anything but a mac.
quietguy
2005-04-04 00:05:13 UTC
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I agree! And noway would I use IE for it, even on a Mac

David
Post by ocean11
With the risk of viruses and trojan horses on windows, I
wouldnt do net banking on anything but a mac.
Peter McCallum
2005-04-04 22:20:53 UTC
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Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
Get with the Strength: bank Capricornia Credit Union

Full support for Safari on their net banking site
--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA
skip
2005-04-05 11:47:52 UTC
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This would have to be ROACHING, McCallum! (or should I say Murray. D).

Capricornia Credit Union is nothing but a front for the CBA operating
in the Peoples Republic of Mackay!
Post by Peter McCallum
Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
Get with the Strength: bank Capricornia Credit Union
Full support for Safari on their net banking site
--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA
cd
2005-04-07 16:03:00 UTC
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Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commbank.com.au%2Fpersonal%2F

Page

doesn't check out very well by the w3 html validator.

Maybe it's not safari's fault after all....
Michael
2005-04-11 04:34:32 UTC
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Post by cd
Post by skip
Guess "Which Bank" has decided to lock Safari users out of Netbank?
Yes it's the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
They are currently trialling a new netbanking site and you won't be
able to use Safari or Mozilla Firefox on the new site.
The troglodytes in IT at CBA consider that Mac users should start using
Microsoft despite even MS saying they are no longer producing updated
versions IE for Mac.
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
with your views.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commbank.com.au%2Fpersonal%
2F
Page
doesn't check out very well by the w3 html validator.
Maybe it's not safari's fault after all....
Been using Safari under OSX.3.8 to access my netbank acct. over the weekend
and had no problems whatsoever, apart from the usual "Print" button problem.

Mick.
atreus
2005-04-13 02:40:47 UTC
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Post by skip
What can you do?
So start looking around for new browser or new bank that you can work
with.
I'd look for a new bank. Being an ex-employee of CBA, I would highly
recommend all customers to leave them. I used to bank with them but
the day I quit, I changed banks. Here are my Top 5 reasons why I both
quit CBA and closed by accounts:

1) IF YOU DON'T HAVE $20k, YOU'RE NOT IMPORTANT

CUSTOMER: "Hello, my employer didn't pay me properly and direct debits
came out and I have become overdrawn. I've now been charged the $35
fee. This is the first time I've done this and I've been a customer
for 20 years. Can you please reverse it?"
CBA: "Was it a bank error?"
CUSTOMER "No. It was my employers fault."
CBA "Sorry then the fee will stand."
CUSTOMER "But my employer won't pay for it. Look, this is the first
time this has ever happened to me"
CBA "Yes, but was it a bank error?"

** A reversal will only be considered if you have over $20 000 in
savings with the bank. Then you are considered an important customer.

2) IGNORANCE IS BLISS

Get this one a lot? "Are you happy with your current credit card
limit?". All staff are required to hit targets of new products. This
includes trying to get customers to apply for Credit Cards and Personal
Loans. Even if that customer is unemployed or is always overdrawn or
just not financially in a position for instant debt. The line CBA
takes is "you don't know that this is all the money they have." I saw
far too many unemployed and financially screwed customers given loans
and credit cards and then unable to pay them back. No surprise so why
suggest it in the first place? Because staff are forced to suggest it
or they get put on notice.

Interesting fact. A staff member cannot have a staff credit card where
the limit is more than a month's wage. Whereas some customer's limits
can be over 3-4 months worth of wages.

3) THEY RELY ON CUSTOMER LAZINESS

You know how they are always trying to force you to open another
account? Well, apart from staff targets, the bank believes that the
more accounts you have with them, the less chance there is that you
will leave them because it would be too much of a hassle. This is not
a 'guess' by me. We were briefed to do this and that was the reason
given.

4) YOUR TIME IS NOT IMPORTANT TO THEM

If you call up their 13 2221 help line, the staff have to meet a target
of (average) 2 mins 14 secs per call. It was not rare that if an
enquiry could be fixed in 10 minutes that the customer would be sent to
the branch instead, even if they could be helped over the phone. This
is because if your call took too long, the staff member's average would
go up and they faced being put on notice. You see, customer service
has a time limit.

The flip side, no call should take less than 30 seconds. Call them up
and ask what time branches open. Listen to them stall.

5) SHOP AROUND!

If you pay the $5 monthly fee to get a certain amount of transactions
you're paying too much!!!!! Shop around. You don't have to pay fees
just to have a statement account. Example, I've been with ANZ for
almost two years and have only paid 50c in fees so far. I don't even
have a loan with them. It all depends if you're prepared to slightly
change your banking habits. The sad reality is, if you accept the
fees, they'll just increase them in time.

CBA are probably not the worst bank around but if you're not happy with
them, LEAVE. Bitching and moaning to them will change nothing. If you
were to complain to McDonalds and say their burgers tasted like crap
but continued to buy them, why would they change anything? Same
applies with banks.

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